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#1 Lighthawk

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Posted 18 August 2016 - 02:28 AM

https://www.nps.gov/...for-looting.htm

/rant on
This sort of egotistical collecting really burns me.
Who does this guy think he is? $250k in fines is a good start, but I would advocate for some cultural retraining too. /rant off
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Posted 18 August 2016 - 04:19 AM

glad they caught him - hope they throw the book at him now.  


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Posted 18 August 2016 - 04:48 AM

I agree Lighthawk. This was a plea deal. He was charged with 21 counts. He pled guilty to 2. Max fine is $40,000. Part of the plea bargain was agreement to pay restitution of $250,000. How does the doc feel about this? And I'm not talking about the nice words he'll say before the judge at sentencing. What does he tell his friends? His family?

I'd honestly like to know that he learned a lesson and he'll feel the need to do all he can to make this right.

And if he doesn't? I hope he never has a restful night's sleep the rest of his life.
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Posted 19 August 2016 - 06:23 PM

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I don't think he will learn his lesson, they never do-they seem to think it is their right to do it! I remember one case I was involved with that after we caught him-a history teacher on less-tried him before a US Federal court, sent him to jail, then put him on probation and we caught him again-while on probation-digging up another site.  Well back to jail he went and I was given several boxes of artifacts with minimal information on when , where and how they were collected.  At least he kept a map of the general location of where he dug the stuff up and that helped greatly in his conviction (my job was to take his map and go find where the sites were and testify as to where they were in court as a expert witness). 

 

What happened to the artifacts ?  I gave them to UNR to try do some analysis on them.  In general terms, they provided only limited information concerning the " Who,the When and the Why"---the things that we need to figure what was  going on out there-the cultural history  of the area! What we call "unprovienced artifacts" add little to field archaeology and the following analysis because our science-as it is-is partially based on uncovering artifacts in their exact locations, depth and context and things that are not recorded that way add little to our knowledge!  While a point or some other artifact can be usually be typed to a certain date and use, is was because it was found and identified in context enough times to say the "when, were and how about it" Today those artifacts are being used to train new archaeologists and others  on the type of artifacts that can be found out there. Enough said!  Get me around a camp fire at night some time, with a beer and I could tell you guys some stories about about the wonderful and never ending world of trying to catch and stop these people!

 

 

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 10:37 PM

Good thing the courts don't ask all of us if we would like to sentence this piece of crap. I'm sure we have varying degrees of punishment for him. Glad they caught him and hope he is sorry, doubtful.


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Posted 20 August 2016 - 01:38 AM

 Get me around a camp fire at night some time, with a beer and I could tell you guys some stories about about the wonderful and never ending world of trying to catch and stop these people!

 

 

Smoke

 

Sounds like an interesting conversation.  :ph34r:


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:25 AM

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I don't think he will learn his lesson, they never do-they seem to think it is their right to do it! I remember one case I was involved with that after we caught him-a history teacher on less-tried him before a US Federal court, sent him to jail, then put him on probation and we caught him again-while on probation-digging up another site.  Well back to jail he went and I was given several boxes of artifacts with minimal information on when , where and how they were collected.  At least he kept a map of the general location of where he dug the stuff up and that helped greatly in his conviction (my job was to take his map and go find where the sites were and testify as to where they were in court as a expert witness). 
 
What happened to the artifacts ?  I gave them to UNR to try do some analysis on them.  In general terms, they provided only limited information concerning the " Who,the When and the Why"---the things that we need to figure what was  going on out there-the cultural history  of the area! What we call "unprovienced artifacts" add little to field archaeology and the following analysis because our science-as it is-is partially based on uncovering artifacts in their exact locations, depth and context and things that are not recorded that way add little to our knowledge!  While a point or some other artifact can be usually be typed to a certain date and use, is was because it was found and identified in context enough times to say the "when, were and how about it" Today those artifacts are being used to train new archaeologists and others  on the type of artifacts that can be found out there. Enough said!  Get me around a camp fire at night some time, with a beer and I could tell you guys some stories about about the wonderful and never ending world of trying to catch and stop these people!
 
 
Smoke


Thanks, Smoke, for helping to convict these cretins. We would love to hear your stories. They are the "entitled".
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Posted 21 August 2016 - 03:58 AM

Smoke if you ever need a posse I'm sure you are to find like minded people here.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:35 PM

Banned for three years from public lands? I'd say a lifetime ban would be more appropriate.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 01:53 PM

Banned for three years from public lands? I'd say a lifetime ban would be more appropriate.

Agree 100% 


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