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[klahanie]

Re front springs: I'm pretty sure the Ford coil springs parts are the same for 2005-current and are interchangeable between F250-550, with one set for each for 2wd and 4wd. So  prob the same applies to aftermarket.

 

For the above listed trucks Ford has nine linear spring rates made to be used at the same design load height (within the oem geometry) the choice of would usually dependent on application load. In practice that might give an owner who, even after purchase wants a little softer ride or to compensate for added weight, the option of going up or down 1 or 2 spring rates with an oem part (if they are ok with oem). I see that as a real plus worthy of mention. For something/someone else, there may be aftermarket suppliers.

[klahanie]

 

Hi all  - a related question:

 

If a city has a maximum curb weight (as defined in the city’s MOTOR VEHICLE REGULATIONS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS) of 8,000 lbs wet

 

How will I stand with a current Ford F350, biggest longest version, with an approx 2,500 lb (wet) Pop Up camper - always on board. Daily driver. 

 

In other words - how would my rig relate to an 8,000 curb weight, the limit for residential vehicles in tat city? 

 

Also in other words - would the (always mounted, daily driver) pop up camper’s weight count towards my curb weight? (in the eyes of the city)

 

the exact wording in bylaw is :

 

Any motor vehicle having a curb weight of eight thousand (8,000) pounds or greater. For the purposes of this Section, "curb weight" is defined as the weight of a motor vehicle with standard equipment, fuel, oil, and coolant;

 

thanks!  :-)

 

 

At the end of the day it's going to be what the City says or a Judge says.

 

"Standard equipment" is a bit tricky. I'd say the camper is not included. Ford online says your truck is ~7000# base model so I think you'd be under 8000 delivered even with a bunch of options but you might want to get a weight estimate from the dealer.

 

Do you have a vehicle registration in that jurisdiction now ? does it have the vehicle Curb or Net weight listed on it ? If so it seems to me that may be an accepted way to determine compliance.

Edited by klahanie, 22 March 2019 - 06:34 PM.

[Ace!]

It's a valid question and can be or could be a reason for purchasing F250 vs F350.  I'm familiar with jurisdictions that have similar regulations, but relative to GVWR.  So, a F250 equiped the same as an F350 and with the same curb weight would be allowed, but an F350 would not.  The thought is that the F350 is typically a "commercial" vehicle.  I've also seen the same thing in insurance policies, so that an F250 would be a personal vehicle and an F350 would not quality as a personal vehicle.  They would be, by definition, a commercial vehicle because of the GVWR.  Since I was in the business, I'm sure the policies have changed.  Too many "personal" vehicles are F350 to be excluded.  Also, some of the manufacturers (Ford) offer the F350 with the same equipment but have a GVWR "package" of 10,000 lbs, so that it meets the other common definition of less than 10k GVWR.

 

Anyway, it doesn't answer your question, but just to shed additonal light on the issues related to weight and the regulations that sometime apply, even when they are unenforceable.

 

Your truck, sitting at the curb, does not have the curb weight listed.  Each vehicle would have to be weighed individually and specifically on the date you receive a citation.  It's a regulation that is basically unenforceable.  It will really only apply to commerical vehicles that have the GVWR or some other weight rating printed on the side of the vehicle.

Edited by Ace!, 22 March 2019 - 08:51 PM.

[Advmoto18]

OME offers springs through MY2017, not 2016.  They offer three different front springs, offering 2" or 3" or 4" (45mm, 75mm, 100mm) lift heights (for MY2011-2017).  They offer one spring for the rear, 3" (splitting the baby of the front height) to be used either alone, or with an overload depending on whether the weight is carried full-time.

I spoke at length with an ARB-USA rep yesterday.  ARB-USA is the importer of OME products to North America.

 

OME offers suspension products through MY 2016.  Nothing for MY 2017 and later in North America.

 

For MY 2011-2016 (2016 last MY for steel body Super Duties) only 3" and 4" lift kit packages are available.  The overload spring (which I had on my 2003) is not an option for 2011-16.  You have to purchase the complete package.

 

The big issue for me with either kit, assuming you wanted the lift, is the requirement to retain either the 2" (F-250) or 4" (F-350) blocks between the axle and leaf spring pack.  This alone, would deter me from purchasing these kits.  The axle blocks and added lift will accentuate axle wrap.

[Advmoto18]

At the end of the day it's going to be what the City says or a Judge says.

 

"Standard equipment" is a bit tricky. I'd say the camper is not included. Ford online says your truck is ~7000# base model so I think you'd be under 8000 delivered even with a bunch of options but you might want to get a weight estimate from the dealer.

 

Do you have a vehicle registration in that jurisdiction now ? does it have the vehicle Curb or Net weight listed on it ? If so it seems to me that may be an accepted way to determine compliance.

 

 

 

If one is truly concerned about vehicle and option weights when placing an order, visit the dealer and review the Ford Upfitter Manual.  Weights for each specific base sub-model and each available option are presented in the manual.

 

Payload capacity will begin to decrease as you move up from the most basic entry 2WD, 2 door sub-model to the most expensive sub-model.  Adding additional options to a base sub-model will further decrease payload capacity.  

 

When visiting the Ford Super Duty plant, I noted one of the last placards to be attached is the weight placard to the B pillar.  The computer prints out the placarded weights for that specific truck (VIN) based on sub-model and options.   A robotic arm affixes the placard to the pillar.

Edited by Advmoto18, 23 March 2019 - 01:17 PM.

[dharte]

I use my fog lights a lot. I replaced the stock bulbs with PIAA ion yellow bulbs and they work great, especially in the snow-much less reflective glare. Also,on narrow curvy roads, they really light up the sides. You can add aftermarket lights but most of them are for off-road use only. I have some Warn HID lights mounted on my winch bumper but have only used them a couple of times in the 10 years I’ve had them.

[Ace!]

I spoke at length with an ARB-USA rep yesterday.  ARB-USA is the importer of OME products to North America.

 

OME offers suspension products through MY 2016.  Nothing for MY 2017 and later in North America...

 

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[Rjh550]

If your going to order a 2020 Ford Superduty, I would consider getting the new 7.3 Godzilla gas engine.

[LosAngeles]

If your going to order a 2020 Ford Superduty, I would consider getting the new 7.3 Godzilla gas engine.

I heard the 7.3 gas engine might actually use about the same gas... as it would be running less hard under any loads (hills)

 

however i *have* to get the new 10 speed transmission, and the Hallmark (wet) would be about 2,500 lbs.. .and we hate towing so we would never tow.... and people with the 6.2 gasser seem to indicate that they are never wanting more power, with similar loads. 

 

also the new 10 speed transmission should be a little more ...... smooth... i hope   

 

and also the 6.2 is tried and true.... i dont want to be a part of any possible issues with the 7.3