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#1 willymatt

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 04:23 PM

I'm shopping Craigslist, etc, for a used hawk or eagle shell. I have an F-150 and I'm conscious of weight. I see ads for older fwcs sometimes that make claims about the weight that I'm skeptical about. For example, there's a 1999 hawk shell for sale in San Francisco right now that says it weighs 550. I hear that fwcs weighed less in some years than they do now. I would love to have an idea how shell weights for Hawks and eagles actually changed over, say, the last 25 years or so. Can anyone cast light on this, or maybe just contribute individual data points that you're sure about?
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Posted 14 December 2019 - 05:15 PM

I don't think the advertised weights were ever accurate. I do think the older models were substantially lighter thought. My mid 90's fully loaded Ranger II (Eagle) weighs under 1,000 lbs. wet with gear on a truck scale. I see weights for late model Fleet and Eagle campers at least 500-600 lbs. more.


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Posted 14 December 2019 - 07:43 PM

I have an 05 Eagle with refrigerator, stove, & water tank and the weight on sticker is 690#, but I've never actually weighed it.  No batteries, no solar, etc.


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Posted 14 December 2019 - 08:08 PM

Willy,

 

Email Stan at Woodland stan@fourwh for specs on used campers 

 

I assume you are looking for a camper between 2000-2019 - the Tom Hanagan era.

My 2912 Eagle shell base weight was 550 pounds. This is the base weight without ANY factory upgrades. or personal upgrades..

 

Weighing it with accessories after pickup it was 800 pounds. We  added: a rear cabinet and the small cabinet (comes with std dinette table) on Drivers side. screen door, aux battery system (installed in bottom of the large cabinet), two 12 volt outlets, two solar plugs, Fantastic Fan, Inside-Front roof lifters, Fiamma awning, European curtains (roll up over side window), two couch cushions, Front opening window, and 4 mechanical Ricoh Jacks. Removed the jacks for storage which dropped the total by 100 pounds.

 

Since then we added 150 watt solar panel and controller, 2 drawers, sink, counter, compressor fridge, board to extend the box over the wheel wells, misc camping items for about 1200 pounds dry. And that's an Eagle not a Hawk.

 

A regular camper Fleet camper with front dinette with compressor fridge  weighs 1,350 pounds dry. 

 

If you can live with the larger size truck (F-150) I recommend the Hawk because of the extra room between the wheel wells ( 13") and the dry weight is around 1,450 pounds. 

 

The only method to know for sure is first weigh the truck with full fuel tank, no humans an remove tailbgate. Then add camper  and weigh again. Next add camping gear, food, water, chairs, etc and weigh again.

 

Our Tacoma weigs 4,000 pounds. Add camper 1,200 # = 5200. Add 450# food, camping gear, water, adult beverage, Add one human (me) 225 pounds (dropped 10 pounds last 5 months) = 5900 # - 400 over gross.

 

I would guess the F-150 can easily support the camper wet plus 2 humans without changing the springs or adding air bags. Just adding E rated tires,

 

Hope that helps.


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Posted 14 December 2019 - 08:30 PM

Jim, good on ya for losing 10 lbs!

 

I hadn't gone back to compare our estimates with reality. Ya got me curious. It turned out pretty close if we had 1/4 tank of fuel and didn't bring a couple week's worth of food. The estimate assumed 10 gals water. Here's our estimates for the Tacoma/Fleet, about 6100 lb (107% of GWVR). The really heavy trip had 20gal water, too many drinks, extra junk. However, our estimates are not that great because we don't take the bikes and backpacking gear very often, nor a guest very often. So we must have added other junque.

 

I think the camper weighed more than the estimate... because the first trip we had very little stuff in it, and 1/4 tank of gas, and got close to our estimate. I'm guessing it was 100-200 lb more than the estimate. I wish we'd weighed right after installation.

Total	6084 lbs
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Truck	 4,315 
Fuel	 131 
her	 130 
him	 170 
Guest	 160 
	
Water	 82 
Propane	 20 
Backpack gear	 50 
Food	 30 
Remove Tailgate	 (40)
Bikes	 50 
	
Camper	 975 
Fridge	 (15)
Furnace	 25 
Vent	 6 
Fan	 8 
Dinette	 2 
	
Kitchen gear	 10 
Sleeping gear	 10 
Folding chairs	 4 
Tools	 10 
	
Remove 1 propane tank	 (27)
Remove extra pads	 (14)
Remove bed extender	 (28)
Stool	 20 

And here's some real weights. Note all the weight went to the rear axle.

	         Front	Rear	Total
GAWR	         2,910 	 3,280 	 5,600 
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8/1/2018	 2,700 	 2,000 	 4,700 (empty truck bed)
9/18/2018	 2,701 	 2,019 	 4,720 (also empty)

9/20/2018	 2,681 	 3,140 	 5,821 
10/24/2018	 2,760 	 3,460 	 6,220 
10/24/2018	 2,800 	 3,450 	 6,250 
11/11/2018	 2,750 	 3,400 	 6,150 
12/8/2018	 2,701 	 3,280 	 5,981 
12/31/2018	 2,619 	 3,261 	 5,880 
1/16/2019	 2,760 	 3,300 	 6,060 
3/12/2019	 2,760 	 3,580 	 6,340 
3/25/2019	 2,750 	 3,400 	 6,150 
6/1/2019	 2,700 	 3,400 	 6,100 
7/28/2019	 2,740 	 3,480 	 6,220 
9/11/2019	 2,660 	 3,300 	 5,960 
10/24/2019	 2,650 	 3,300 	 5,950 
12/4/2019	 2,640 	 3,220 	 5,860 


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Posted 15 December 2019 - 04:51 PM

Thanks for the input guys. Jim, I'll follow your advice to ask Stan about specific years. I want something really on the lightest end of things. We're 2 grownups, 2 growing kids, and 2 biggish dogs. When we had our last setup that was supposedly 1150 dry, we ran exactly at gvwr fully loaded (the truck scale showed 7550, which is my gvwr), and that was with just a half tank of gas.

I want to get up on some of our Jeep trails in Colorado--nothing too crazy but enough that I don't want to be running heavy at all, and would prefer to be a couple hundred pounds short of maxed out.
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Posted 15 December 2019 - 05:47 PM

Another data point: 2001 Eagle camper (not shell) 876 pounds dry.

There is usually no Vin/weight tag on the units from that era, which is true for mine too. FWC weighed it for me at the factory about 3 years ago (at my request) before they installed it on the truck. I had them perform some significant work on it (lots of $$) and they agreed to weigh it. The following was included in the weight:
-Factory kitchen galley from that era with 3-way fridge, furnace, sink, stove
-Large factory picture window on the same side
-Exterior awning on the passenger side

I removed several items before taking in for service, so the following was not included:
-Propane tank
-All cushions & curtains, which included removing the bench seat.

Upon reviewing the previous posts, it makes sense that the shell units weigh 200-300 pounds less because of the items included in the upgraded versions.
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