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#11 Dirt Rider

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:24 PM

Just a bit confused, if they are working to keep trails open, whats the problem? I like to take my truck out on trails and camp. A lot of land is being closed up. Is this a liberal/conservative thing? 


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Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:46 PM

I don't think it is a liberal/conservative thing as much as a balance thing. 

 

I also like to take my truck out on trails/roads and camp, but I (and most other folks on WtW) also like to hike, ski, bike, raft, canyoneer and climb in wild areas.    Of all those activities the there are far more public lands with roads to camp on then there are wild areas left for the other activities. 

 

I strongly support protecting the last wild areas that we have left, so while I appreciate the BRCs stated mission, I don't agree with their opposition to protecting lands like Bears Ears and Grand Stair Case Escalante National Monuments.  They only seem to care about one mode of public access, where I care about many forms of access and see the value in preserving some fraction of the land in as wild as possible a state regardless of access. 


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Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:47 PM

Just a bit confused, if they are working to keep trails open, whats the problem? I like to take my truck out on trails and camp. A lot of land is being closed up. Is this a liberal/conservative thing? 

 

I am not confused. Many people on this site may not like your avatar. They may not say so but will use code words like "such uses" without saying motorcycles. I am a almost 70 year old life member of the American Motorcycle Association. I have seen so many areas closed to ORV use.  Or they have been improved to the point you can drive your motorhome to them. There are less places in CA when you can drive your jeep or motorcycle to and get away from the crowd. Maybe those days are gone for ever, if so it is sad. Now it is drive your motorhome to a place you can go hiking and not much else. The Blue Ribbon Collation is at least trying. I am a realist you will not see areas closed opened again.  I will advocate against any more areas being closed. 


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Posted 19 December 2019 - 11:25 PM

There are more people, with increasingly sophisticated machines using the public land for more seasons than ever before. As said above, balance is needed. Right now the balance is firmly tilted to increased use of public lands. Unless human populations take a nose-dive, which I do not see happening anytime soon, the use of public lands will continue to increase. Where four or five motorcycles a day on a trail is no big deal, four or five hundred on the same trail, every day, is a big deal in the sense that the noise and habitat stress fundamentally changes the experience from being wild to an amusement park.

 

Even long time motorcycle riders that enjoy being in the middle of nowhere cannot say they enjoy having to eat the dust of a group of motorcycles in front while being pressed to hurry it up by the group right behind.

 

The only way to keep wild areas from being overrun is to reduce or eliminate unrestricted access to those areas. Nothing else works.


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Posted 20 December 2019 - 08:44 PM

More and more people are using public lands. Can't stop that. Forcing more people to recreate on smaller pieces of land isn't the answer. 


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#16 Dirt Rider

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 06:02 PM

Guess i'm just a bit naive, I like to ski, hike, camp, fish, ride horses, mountain bike and hunt or just sit by the fire and do nothing, as long as it's outdoors i'm happy, thought we were all on the same page?


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 07:42 AM

I'm a member of both BRC and Cal4Wheel.


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 12:12 AM

Only about 2% of our public land is wilderness where motor vehicles are not allowed. I drive on dirt roads some of the time but I have a hard time supporting a group whose users are inclined to threaten me with things like - oh, death -  when I speak in defense of wilderness. 


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Posted 05 January 2020 - 02:47 AM

I do not support BRC and the shrinking of our national monuments.


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