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#11 Wandering Sagebrush

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Posted 19 April 2020 - 07:34 PM

<snip> but is what this guy did really all that much different than Black Cyn. or the Bishop/Benton petrogylphs when judged 10,000 years from now?

I sure think it will be.  In my mind, there’s a difference between a jerk’s vandalism in a national Park, and an early culture’s technology for documenting its experience in the wilderness.


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Posted 19 April 2020 - 08:49 PM

There's a couple places that I know of along the Mojave Road where someone from it's early days basically did the same thing. Name and date marked into a rock. In my mind the only difference is that those marks are historically significant because they place a specific person at a specific location and that allows us to 'anchor' events in history. What this guy did will have no historical significance 100 or more years from now.


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Posted 19 April 2020 - 09:08 PM

In this incident, I can only hope that Lacy is deeply ashamed of the company she keeps.


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Posted 19 April 2020 - 10:00 PM

I'm not sure we should hold the dog responsible.


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#15 BillTheHiker

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Posted 20 April 2020 - 12:26 AM

I'm not sure we should hold the dog responsible.

What? Don't you recognize dog writing?


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Posted 20 April 2020 - 03:44 AM

.... the morons that walked across grand prismatic in Yellowstone, not much either. 

I see stupid tourist crap every time i'm in a Nat. Park. Nothing happens to them, so nothing stops them.

 

If I have the story correct, 2 of 4 foreigners banned for bad behaviour in Yellowstone and other places in 2016 (?) died going over a waterfall up here in 2018 (plus a 3rd vlogger). Misadventure caught up with them.

 

 

 

There's a couple places that I know of along the Mojave Road where someone from it's early days basically did the same thing. Name and date marked into a rock. In my mind the only difference is that those marks are historically significant because they place a specific person at a specific location and that allows us to 'anchor' events in history. What this guy did will have no historical significance 100 or more years from now.

 

Yes, or carved in trees or on buildings. I've seen some old ones too. Maybe this guy looks into the future fancying himself a famous explorer or person of worth and note ... hey, maybe he's plans to start being that exceptional guy soon, I mean not now but, real soon !


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Posted 20 April 2020 - 12:59 PM

I think he's just an A-H that doesn't know better or doesn't care, but even though the old ones are of historical value I tend to classify them the same way. I can't stand the hypocrisy of treating them differently.

 

I too, deeply hope that Lacy really objects to her name being included.


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Posted 20 April 2020 - 05:49 PM

One man's etching is another man's worthless graffiti ! One of the major problems we always had as practicing field archaeologists  was defining just what is/was  an "prehistoric or historic " resource (Ant. Act of 1906) and "if" something is, "is it protected by law (National Historic Act of 1964, Arch. Preservation Act of 1979.etc.,)  Without getting to deep into the law(s), an object, place or thing needs to be determined to be "significant" for any host of reasons (age, condition, association with historic events,etc.,) before   it is protected by any relevant fed, state or other law.  Since these objects were evaluated and  met one or more of those criteria-they were covered by the law. 

 

All that said, i remember in the early  70's when that under the law, things at least 50 years old could be classified as historic, so that rusty old can dump from the '30's could overnight  become and important historic resource that might need to be studied and protected!  I remember my exasperated boss asking me , " can't you just find one nice example and we'll protect that one??" Several of us field arks also noted that maybe, that we and our site reports,  could be now be defined as historic resources :rolleyes:! While most of us would agree that a axle grease signature from the 1840's and any associated wagon ruts down High Rock Canyon in Nevada, or a prehistoric mammoth kill site,  or some prehistoric rock art anywhere, is protected by law---nothing will 100% protect it from someone who is determined  to destroy,  deface or steal it ( believe or not, someone up on the Modoc NF years ago were cutting rock art panels from the rock faces so they could sell them).  No self respecting dog would take part in such activities!

 

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Posted 21 April 2020 - 01:33 PM

Looks like social media pressure did the job.  The person has confessed.

 

Lacy the dog was innocent.


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Posted 21 April 2020 - 03:34 PM

Here’s the Death Valley National Park ranger post on Instagram:
https://www.instagra...id=k2xsqgrbfezg
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