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#1 AWG_Pics

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 05:44 PM

The Governors of California, Oregon and Washington are asking people to quarantine for two weeks if they have been, or are from, out of state: https://katu.com/new...-to-coronavirus

 

Also asking people not to go out to recreate or do tourist stuff.


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Posted 13 November 2020 - 09:04 PM

First, let me say that I think Governors Inslee, Brown and Newsom have largely handled Covid as well as they could have given the resources directed their way (or more appropriately, not directed their way) from the Federal Government during this National Emergency. That said, this doesn't make sense if you take it on face value. The virus doesn't travel on shoes and tires. It travels in lungs. Maybe this is a stealthy way of keeping large indoor gatherings down, but if I live my life the way I have been, I expect that there would be no change in my risk or anyone else's risk of being infected by me.

 

I'm a healthcare provider. We universally mask at our office when indoors, even if alone at our desks. So do all of our patients. My wife practices with me. We mask indoors everywhere, except in our own home or in our car. Our son is grown and has moved out. We wash our hands regularly and keep our distance. We socialize occasionally, but only outside and at a distance of 10+ feet. 

 

Whether I'm in WA, OR (my home state), or CA, if I maintain those habits, why would the state I'm in matter? I'm all for doing what we need to do to get this pandemic under control, but this seems pretty arbitrary. 


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Posted 13 November 2020 - 09:15 PM

First, let me say that I think Governors Inslee, Brown and Newsom have largely handled Covid as well as they could have given the resources directed their way (or more appropriately, not directed their way) from the Federal Government during this National Emergency. That said, this doesn't make sense if you take it on face value. The virus doesn't travel on shoes and tires. It travels in lungs. Maybe this is a stealthy way of keeping large indoor gatherings down, but if I live my life the way I have been, I expect that there would be no change in my risk or anyone else's risk of being infected by me.

 

I'm a healthcare provider. We universally mask at our office when indoors, even if alone at our desks. So do all of our patients. My wife practices with me. We mask indoors everywhere, except in our own home or in our car. Our son is grown and has moved out. We wash our hands regularly and keep our distance. We socialize occasionally, but only outside and at a distance of 10+ feet. 

 

Whether I'm in WA, OR (my home state), or CA, if I maintain those habits, why would the state I'm in matter? I'm all for doing what we need to do to get this pandemic under control, but this seems pretty arbitrary. 

 

Yes, we never go out without masks. When I do shopping I always wear latex gloves. And at home wash hands frequently as well as

carrying and using regularly a bottle of sanitizer in each of our vehicles. Our social lives are pretty much nil. I do not feel at risk. So, I agree that the 2 week quarantine does not make sense, unless it is an indirect way of getting people to take this pandemic seriously.


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Posted 13 November 2020 - 09:23 PM

Yes, we never go out without masks. When I do shopping I always wear latex gloves. And at home wash hands frequently as well as

carrying and using regularly a bottle of sanitizer in each of our vehicles. Our social lives are pretty much nil. I do not feel at risk. So, I agree that the 2 week quarantine does not make sense, unless it is an indirect way of getting people to take this pandemic seriously.

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 10:11 PM

My concern in all this is that the recommendations/mandates simply say face covering/mask is required.

 

There is no mention of any mask ratings/specifications that provide a suitable level of protection for the wearer to avoid infection or to not spread infection. I find no standard for masks or which masks have been tested and proven effective for the purpose. That information is available for dust/various chemicals or pesticides for agricultural/industrial uses and is typically printed on the package. It is missing on packaging for masks being sold for compliance with face covering requirements. 

 

This has made me very skeptical of the face covering requirements especially when seeing neck gaiters or bandanas accepted as meeting the face covering requirements. Far too many times, I see people at half-mask covering the mouth but not the nose and that is accepted as complying. 

 

I use KN95 rated masks without exhalation valves when available and the “TV show surgical masks” when KN95 are in short supply. I suspect that the mask requirement is for show or to keep our stress level high. Oregon was just issued more restrictions to start immediately for individuals but in 5 days for businesses.  Why the delay for businesses? Are they less likely to spread the virus?

The governor did tell us that camping is OK unlike this spring when they closed the campgrounds. Either they are not all that smart or we are not all that smart. YMMV, I guess.

By the way, the quarantine period is 4 weeks in Multnomah county but just 2 weeks in adjacent counties.

 

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 11:10 PM

I have taken a jaundiced view of government scientists ever since they had elementary school kids hide under our desks to 'protect' us from a nuclear blast.

 

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 11:48 PM

My concern in all this is that the recommendations/mandates simply say face covering/mask is required.

 

There is no mention of any mask ratings/specifications that provide a suitable level of protection for the wearer to avoid infection or to not spread infection. I find no standard for masks or which masks have been tested and proven effective for the purpose. That information is available for dust/various chemicals or pesticides for agricultural/industrial uses and is typically printed on the package. It is missing on packaging for masks being sold for compliance with face covering requirements. 

 

This has made me very skeptical of the face covering requirements especially when seeing neck gaiters or bandanas accepted as meeting the face covering requirements. Far too many times, I see people at half-mask covering the mouth but not the nose and that is accepted as complying. 

 

I use KN95 rated masks without exhalation valves when available and the “TV show surgical masks” when KN95 are in short supply. I suspect that the mask requirement is for show or to keep our stress level high. Oregon was just issued more restrictions to start immediately for individuals but in 5 days for businesses.  Why the delay for businesses? Are they less likely to spread the virus?

The governor did tell us that camping is OK unlike this spring when they closed the campgrounds. Either they are not all that smart or we are not all that smart. YMMV, I guess.

By the way, the quarantine period is 4 weeks in Multnomah county but just 2 weeks in adjacent counties.

 

Paul

There is indeed good data on this. It comes out of Asia from institutions that were primarily measuring pollution, but pivoted their particle counter work to smaller particle sizes. Essentially nearly anything helps some. N95s and most real KN95s block 95% or more. Standard three layer procedure masks block 80%. Single layer cloth...60% give or take. Remember though, that's what's coming IN. The primary purpose of the mask is to reduce the distance of what is being exhaled. If you can reduce the distance the particles travel from 6 feet to 1 foot and watch your distance and time exposure, all is good. There's a reason Japan, a densely populated nation with 126 million people has had fewer cases total than we had yesterday alone. This is not that complicated. 


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Posted 14 November 2020 - 02:51 AM

My understanding with Multinomah county and the reason for 4 wks .Vs 2 wks is that they have a huge increase in covid cases one of several counties in PDX,  I guess M. county is not expected to decrease  enuf to lift restritions in two wks.time.  Time will tell what happens next......  im glad for our FWC pod....be safe.  Hoop


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Posted 14 November 2020 - 03:35 PM

I have taken a jaundiced view of government scientists ever since they had elementary school kids hide under our desks to 'protect' us from a nuclear blast.

 

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The difference in the masks shown is the first five are to protect you from breathing something in. The last one is also to protect others from what you breathe out. Most people that catch this flu don't even know it for a week or so, but they are contagious during that time. The mask is to help stop them from spreading it as much as it is to protect you.

 

I get it, wearing a mask is a PITA. As a cancer patient receiving chemo twice a month, I have a "compromised immune system".   And since my cancer has spread to my lungs, it is sometimes a pain for me to breathe without a mask. But I have no choice but to wear a mask when I go to my appointments because so many others aren't wearing one. And while wearing a mask won't kill you, you not wearing a mask can kill me.


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Posted 14 November 2020 - 07:12 PM

Thank you Ted.IMO very great view.

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