57 replies to this topic

[buckland]

JaSan Those are important and smart ideas especially the sign with #.

[Happyjax]

Frank I am with you 100%! Leave no trace. Nor dog poo. Civil such a good word.

They probably do that so their discarded masks won't be lonely....

[JaSAn]

 . . . Predator pee is a major deterrent to wild animal behavior...

 

I will disagree.

My back yard is full of dog, fox, and even occasional coyote pee.  Doesn't affect the deer, rabbits, squirrels, raccoon, et.al. from visiting. They will even come up in the back yard when my dog is in his kennel raising a racket.

[Smokecreek1]

Then there are those of us who , rightly or wrongly, mark the our own camp boundaries with a combination of our own and our dogs pee ! 

 

Smoke

[DavidGraves]

Yep you both are right and I am wrong.

 

I still leave me dog home.

 

My dog is not my child...it is my pet.

 

David Graves

[buckland]

I was raised with the belief if you love it and can take it with you, you should. Companionship on the road or in the outback is good.

But to each his/her own. I just would like folks to be courteous in shared spaces... something American who have had so much open space don't realize like folks in other more developed countries with parkland there has to be strict rules.   We too are starting to get to the point where we have to as a people share what we have, more ...not think it is only for me. It goes against the grain of many who believe they can do what they want wherever. More folks are wanting to get back into a natural place. We need to all get along.

[Smokecreek1]

I should have prefaced my comment with the following:  when I an dry camping in the back country and not in so-called "civilized campgrounds", I  usually mark my camp boundary by---!   Where and when I learned to do this I don't remember (family-boy scouts??)  but I have done it since I was a wee lad growing up in small  country town during much simpler times .  Again I have no proof that that it worked other than after 60 years of camping I am still here  and have not been eaten by some creature of the night.  As I noted before , I have as a part of both work and play probably back country camped/back packed (with a dog and w/o a dog ) more than most folk (people on this site excepted) and I also understand when to mark and not mark my camp.  And yes lot's of our  back country today has been trashed  by unthinking and uncaring campers and vandals and these activities and possible solutions have been debated here many times  and camp  boundary  marking is not (yet) a major cause.  Each to his own, and sorry if I offended anyone!

 

Smoke

[DavidGraves]

Hey Smoke

 

Neither of you folks offended me....sorry if it came off that way.

 

I just get tired of having to argue every point in a web forum.....

 

So here goes, in a wild environment ( not my garden or yard...or the county park ) many animals react to predator scent by altering their own behavior......this might mean taking a different food route, etc etc.

 

If one visits a WILD area and brings along ones pet you are leaving more than your own footprints.

 

IF you care about impacting the area your are visiting, remember your pet will impact it also.....perhaps more than you.

 

David Graves

Edited by DavidGraves, 27 February 2021 - 05:36 AM.

[teledork]

Everyone will think I am an old grump.

 

Dogs (and cats) are predators.

 

Predator pee is a major deterrent to wild animal behavior...

 

If you are visiting an actual wild area you might consider leaving Fido home.

 

Campgrounds, parks etc are already contaminated so anything goes.

 

David Graves

If dog pee altered wild animal behavior gardening would be soooo much easier. I live on the edge of a "wild area". I did not bring the squirrels and rabbits and deer and bear and skunks and foxes and coyotes and bobcats and cougars with me so I think it is safe to say that the wildlife comes from "wild areas" to visit my home and garden in spite of many dogs over the years. 

 

And my 50 years of backpacking in designated wilderness with dogs has been full of wildlife like deer, bear, cougar, badger, squirrels, mice, ptarmagin and many other birds as well as reptiles including a desert tortoise or two. 

 

Also - I have never met a dog named Fido. 

Edited by teledork, 27 February 2021 - 03:20 PM.

[teledork]

Yep you both are right and I am wrong.

 

I still leave me dog home.

 

My dog is not my child...it is my pet.

 

David Graves

My dog is not my pet. He is my very best friend.