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#1 Ruck_and_Roll

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Posted 07 June 2021 - 08:39 PM

Hey all-

 

Looking for help on a new issue.  I have a 2008 Hawk.  I noticed a few screws loose on the jack mounting brackets which is resulting in the jacket brackets being pulled away from the camper under force.  On my last time loading the camper I think had a little bit of user error and had some horizontal forces (in combination with using extension plates and casters), where the jack forces angled and weren't straight vertical, resulting in stress on the attachment points.   Each of the attachment points appear to be ~1.5-2 in self tapping screws,  There are 8 in total on each jacket bracket. .  I've noticed some have been somewhat loose before.  It seems like 4 of the screws have lost their "bite."  Thinking some of of it could be due to some wood rot and wood stripping.  Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?  Obviously looking for a solution where I don't have to remove the outer skin or anything real intrusive.  Just really looking to beef up the attachment between the jacket brackets and the camper.  I am sure a new application of adhesive would be helpful as well.  

 

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#2 craig333

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Posted 07 June 2021 - 10:19 PM

No wood in there that I'm aware of. The aluminum frame certainly could have had the holes wallowed out though.


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Posted 07 June 2021 - 11:29 PM

May have to add larger screws to correct issue, it's alum frame under the skin, like Craig stated.. 


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#4 Vic Harder

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Posted 08 June 2021 - 03:58 AM

Bigger screws may not hold all that well.  I wonder if you could move the brackets up a bit and make new holes?  Or make new holes in the brackets?


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Posted 08 June 2021 - 01:07 PM

I'd probably try one of the epoxy aluminum repair products.  The jack load would still be carried by the screw, mounts, and tubing.  The aluminized repair epoxy would just take up some of the play and keep the screws from backing out.  I'd look for one with a non-sagging consistency so I could get it up in the tubing, but not run down the inside of the tube.

 

There are several products from companies like Locktite.  Here is one from a quick Google search http://www.hypoxy.co...repair_kits.htm

 

I'm not impressed that FWC uses self tapping screws into thin walled aluminum tubing.  Surely there is a thicker insert or backing plate?


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Posted 08 June 2021 - 01:47 PM

You might want to look into Rivnuts. They rivet in and then use regular thread bolts.Just look up rivnuts on the internet under images if you aren’t aware what they are.
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#7 DavidGraves

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Posted 08 June 2021 - 03:54 PM

Howdy

 

Vic's suggestion to  drill new holes in the bracket itself and then reinstall seems to me your best solution.

 

As with any work you really need to know what you are doing with this.

 

I have never known whether the goop behind the brackets is more of a sealant or an adhesive.

 

Even if it is an adhesive, it is only adhering the bracket to the outside layer of siding.

 

Do you live close enough to have either the FWC or ATC factory make this repair ?

 

It is lucky that you don't need the jack bracket functional until you remove the camper.

 

I would seal the holes until you decide how to proceed.

 

Good luck !

 

David Graves 


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#8 Ruck_and_Roll

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Posted 08 June 2021 - 04:40 PM

Thank you for all of the replies and suggestions.

 

Since not all of them are stripped, I am going to start with what seems like the easiest solution (although may not be the most effective)- a few bigger screws.  If that doesn't work, I think the redrill or the rivnuts would be the next step.

 

I like the idea of the aluminum epoxy.  

 

Unfortunately, I don't live near either of the factories....and David, you're right, not entirely excited about working with aluminum tubing and seems a little over my head.


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#9 DavidGraves

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Posted 08 June 2021 - 05:46 PM

Another thought.

 

Clean everything entirely before you even start !

 

You may need to find out from FWC what the goop was in order to remove it thoroughly.

 

Then decide on what new goop to use.

 

It may be that a combination of larger screws in existing holes ALONG with Vics idea of new screws also.

 

The screws provide a sheer strength when the jack lifts camper but they also help the goop to provide a friction surface attachment of the bracket to the camper body.....

 

Do you know the basic concept of pilot hole drilling etc. ?

 

Take your time and use your brain....and it should work out well.

 

We are all rooting for you.


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Posted 08 June 2021 - 06:56 PM

More on jack brackets....

 

This was my experience extracting the screws, stripping and refinishing the brackets and re-mounting them on my 01 Hawk in 2015. (Note: my brackets didn't have any sealant. That's how FWC did it at the time.)

 

What screws for jack brackets?

 

In 2010, Stan posted info and photos about the old one-piece brackets (like mine) and the newer two-piece ones.  Also- note the photo of the older and newer screws.  I believe the newer-style screws are  ITWBuildEx Part number 1155000. (I'm providing that info for the specifications, i.e. tensile strength, thread, coating, etc.  Note that this may or may not be what FWC currently uses. And it may not be what they use on all bracket variants.

 

Stan's 2010 jack brackets post in 'Rusty Brackets' thread

 

In 2016, wuck did this interesting post on using rivnuts to mount the brackets on his 04 Hawk...

 

wuck's rivnut post from his 'My 04 Hawk' thread

 

And in this December 2019 post, wuck tells us how the rivnuts he installed three years previous are doing...

 

wuck's rivnut update in the 'I have a screw loose' thread


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