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#11 AWG_Pics

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Posted 21 January 2023 - 04:28 PM

My favorite example of that is Ed Abbey, the god of so many environmentalists, who fathered five children with five different women. 

 

There is the old saying: "Does Edward Abbey love the wilderness, or does Edward Abbey love Edward Abbey in the wilderness?" I don't like his writing, which strikes me as intensely boring punctuated by juvenile fantasies. I did not know about his unrestrained procreation, but I guess I am not surprised.


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Posted 21 January 2023 - 04:51 PM

My favorite example of that is Ed Abbey, the god of so many environmentalists, who fathered five children with five different women. 

 

Hmmmm, "rules for thee but not for me".  A pattern?


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Posted 21 January 2023 - 08:14 PM

Hmmmm, "rules for thee but not for me".  A pattern?

He also measured distance by the number of six packs and threw the empties out the window. But I never have considered Ed to be an "environmentalist" and certainly not a "god". He was just a contrary, misanthropic old curmudgeon who drove a cab in New Jersey (or New York?) in between park service jobs. 


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Posted 21 January 2023 - 09:22 PM


I’m also conflicted about my own contributions due to desires to wander about in truck and camper.

I’ve had the same conflicts.
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Posted 22 January 2023 - 11:16 PM

I've had numerous run-ins with the deniers-of-everything who say, "Well if you're an environmentalist you should go live in a cave." Such a brilliant retort. I don't live in a cave, and there's no need to. If we changed certain things about our activities on earth we could solve the problems we face without the need to eat baked cricket casserole and go back to riding horses. But it would take worldwide cooperation, and the chances of that happening are slim. The Selfish Gene functions at national levels as well as the individual. My wife and I travel extensively, and firmly believe travel and cultural exchange do far more good than harm. The worst thing that could happen to the world in terms of both peace and environmental protection is isolationism.

 

At home we genuinely try to mitigate our impacts. Our house in Tucson produces more electricity in a year than it uses. I put significantly more miles on my bicycle each year than on my FJ40. In the end, all I try to do is end each day with a clear conscience.


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#16 Casa Escarlata Robles Too

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Posted 22 January 2023 - 11:32 PM

I've had numerous run-ins with the deniers-of-everything who say, "Well if you're an environmentalist you should go live in a cave." Such a brilliant retort. I don't live in a cave, and there's no need to. If we changed certain things about our activities on earth we could solve the problems we face without the need to eat baked cricket casserole and riding go back to horses. But it would take worldwide cooperation, and the chances of that happening are slim. The Selfish Gene functions at national levels as well as the individual. My wife and I travel extensively, and firmly believe travel and cultural exchange do far more good than harm. The worst thing that could happen to the world in terms of both peace and environmental protection is isolationism.

 

At home we genuinely try to mitigate our impacts. Our house in Tucson produces more electricity in a year than it uses. I put significantly more miles on my bicycle each year than on my FJ40. In the end, all I try to do is end each day with a clear conscience.

That's a great view IMO.

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 12:04 AM

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The worst thing that could happen to the world in terms of both peace and environmental protection is isolationism.

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I believe it was Mark Twain who once wrote “War was invented so Americans could learn geography.”


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Posted 23 January 2023 - 12:57 AM

I believe it was Mark Twain who once wrote “War was invented so Americans could learn geography.”

Good one!


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Posted 23 January 2023 - 01:48 AM

Good one!

Thanks Jonathon
 

Having lost a number of friends, and been shot at in a country where we didn’t belong, that quote resonated with me.


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#20 JHanson

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Posted 23 January 2023 - 02:54 AM

Thanks Jonathon
 

Having lost a number of friends, and been shot at in a country where we didn’t belong, that quote resonated with me.

So true. As with many of Twain's quotes, humorous but poignant.


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