Looking for someone with some expert climbing experience for advocacy event
#1
Posted 09 July 2011 - 07:26 PM
I may be able to convince a local person to show up for the climbing part of the job.
If you aren't a climber, but you would be interested in participating in a Lava Beds advocacy project anyway, please post up and let me know.
#2
Posted 09 July 2011 - 08:20 PM
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#3
Posted 09 July 2011 - 10:06 PM
Notice that the first group took a year to do the project. I'm thinking that with two people in the chimney and four hauling and dumping buckets we could do this over several holiday weekends give or take. Or, if enough people show up, we may be able to bang this out in a few days. There is a campground and boondocking nearby if that would be preferred. I realize this is a remote place and would probably work better for the NorCal and Oregon members, but it just seemed like something that would be cool to do.
I have done some rappeling for recreation but the LBNM staff prefers entering the chimney is done by experienced climbers. I can provide hard hats, five gallon buckets, and of course some food and drink (the latter for camp only, not on the project site). A few ropes, maybe an easy up for shade, some volunteers and we are good to go. What say ye, people?
"Not all who wander are lost. Except Ted, he's usually lost." Dirty Dog
#4
Posted 09 July 2011 - 11:03 PM
How difficult is the climb out? Just wondering if "expert" means compared to the average citizen or "expert" among rock climbers, i.e., is the real trick climbing out rather than the rappel down? Is it way-overhung down inside requiring gnarly-dude fingers to ascend...or are the walls vertical (or less) with big ladder-like jug-holds?
I'm interested in helping with this (depending on "when", I guess), I'm comfortable with rappelling and comfortable with easy-moderate climbing (assuming the ascent is belayed) and have harness, shoes, gear, etc.
- Mark
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#5
Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:02 AM
Uh thanks, Sunni All volunteers take a quick step backward.Calling Lighthawk to the white courtesy phone....
DD, I've done my share of climbing and still have gear including ascenders/etriers/bosuns seat, etc. I have no idea of documenting my skill, other than to present a climbing resume. I think Ted has the right idea to hit the project with buckets & ropes. Probably the main danger will be the risk of knocking stuff down on the guy down in the chimney. I'm working under the impression that access is from the top.
Do we have a proposed date for this event. I might be able to make it but have a few other must-do's on my fall list (Soldier Mdws.)
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#6
Posted 10 July 2011 - 04:21 AM
To answer a few questions:
MarkBC - yes it is vertical. I would say two on a scale of 1-10. No shoes, etc. necessary. Just ascenders and it would probably take less than a minute. Again, this is only once we have made significant progress clearing the chimney. Currently I would guess it is only about eight feet deep due to the debris in it.
Lighthawk - access is from the top. I don't recall any loose stuff at the top - all hardened lava. My reasoning for hard hats is in case a bucket spills while being hauled out. As to a schedule, the person I am in touch with needs to find out if this project is acceptable to the NPS yet. Considering that and the organization involved on our end if and when approved, I would probably wait until spring for our first shot at this. So no hurry.
"Not all who wander are lost. Except Ted, he's usually lost." Dirty Dog
#7
Posted 10 July 2011 - 04:26 AM
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#8
Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:20 PM
Where does that road go?
#9
Posted 11 July 2011 - 01:05 AM
ntsqd -Used to be an Alpine shop on Hwy 20 in Bend just on the western flank of Pilot Butte. If they're still around I'll bet they can turn up some helpful folks. Was a guy in the Bend area named Lee (last name unkwn) who taught climbing (thru COCC?), as well as being one of the fire fighting hot shots crew, but I think he, um.... , flamed out. Used to meet on Weds eves in the summer to climb some of the local spots - mostly out on the road to Mt. Bachelor and the spur that heads over towards the small falls on the Deschutes. HTH
I just-now sent you a PM -- related to this ancient Bend climbing history.
- Mark
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#10
Posted 11 July 2011 - 07:01 PM
I haven't been climbing much since my son was born last year but I basically spent 04'-09' doing a fair amount of sport climbing (& some mountaineering) on the weekends. I can discuss ropes/anchor with any authoritative party as needed.
(Gear available: 200m climbing rope, my personal harness, plenty of slings/webbing/carabiners/cordage for anchors, some cams/chocks for anchors (and I could borrow more), three plain white "ping pong ball" style climbing helmets)
From my quick perspective you'd basically need a safe anchor/rope setup for the "hole" guys to get in/out, which is fairly easy. However if you're hauling a bunch of rocks out via bucket you'll probably want a tripod/pulley type setup over the hole for cleanly lifting stuff out so you're not dragging the rope against the abrasive rock (a different rope that for the climbers by the way).
Also one consideration you likely don't want to hear: From an OSHA perspective this would be considered a "confined space" and have potential atmospheric hazards since a gas could potentially displace the oxygen in a hole or the oxygen in the hole could be used up and drop off.
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