Latest National Geographic has a good article on Bears Ears and the surrounding National Monuments.
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The fate of the refuge’s coastal plain is in the hands of Ryan Zinke,
and It's just greed at the expense of a treasure once destroyed that won't 'come back'.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/us/oil-drilling-arctic-national-wildlife-refuge.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
and It's just greed at the expense of a treasure once destroyed that won't 'come back'.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/us/oil-drilling-arctic-national-wildlife-refuge.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Scientific American has come out against the anti science leadership in the Dept. of Interior and the Zinke led plundering of natural resources.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/monumental-disaster-at-the-department-of-the-interior/
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/monumental-disaster-at-the-department-of-the-interior/
DLN
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Sickening is putting it lightly rando. It will take decades to undo the environmental damage being done by Zinke and his goons.
The swamp is pretty deep. 
Foy
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Perhaps it's helpful to remember that President Obama's Secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell, was trained as an engineer and worked for Mobil, as did her husband, in the oil fields of Oklahoma. She describes herself as probably the only Secretary of the Interior who personally worked on hydraulic fracturing an oil and gas well.buckland said:The swamp is pretty deep.IMG_7112.JPG
Foy
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I would like to ask a question. I don't intend to make this topic any more political than it already is but....
We are a group of consumers who depend heavily upon energy to enjoy our hobbies.
All Americans have relied upon energy from Alaska and half way around the world all of our respective lives and will continue to for the time we remain on planet earth. Renewables will be economical eventually but we aren't there yet.
American environmental regulation and industrial requirements are the most stringent and protective on earth. Generally speaking, the energy industry does a 'good job' of producing what the nation needs (wants?) at a cost we can afford with minimal environmental damage. We all want fuel available when we are at the pump and most of us are concerned with the cost of the same. Currently, gas costs less than a gallon of milk where I live.
Why is energy production in the Arctic Refuge and in the American west such a forbidden subject to some? Is it more "greedy" to produce energy here than in the most volatile region of the world?
Why is it "greedy" to produce the products needed and wanted in the world? Would we be better off not to have petroleum products widely available to us all?
Is it possible that we can generate what we need here with minimal environmental damage while retaining those special areas where extraction industries don't operate? What makes it better to 'leave it in the ground'?
Thanks...
We are a group of consumers who depend heavily upon energy to enjoy our hobbies.
All Americans have relied upon energy from Alaska and half way around the world all of our respective lives and will continue to for the time we remain on planet earth. Renewables will be economical eventually but we aren't there yet.
American environmental regulation and industrial requirements are the most stringent and protective on earth. Generally speaking, the energy industry does a 'good job' of producing what the nation needs (wants?) at a cost we can afford with minimal environmental damage. We all want fuel available when we are at the pump and most of us are concerned with the cost of the same. Currently, gas costs less than a gallon of milk where I live.
Why is energy production in the Arctic Refuge and in the American west such a forbidden subject to some? Is it more "greedy" to produce energy here than in the most volatile region of the world?
Why is it "greedy" to produce the products needed and wanted in the world? Would we be better off not to have petroleum products widely available to us all?
Is it possible that we can generate what we need here with minimal environmental damage while retaining those special areas where extraction industries don't operate? What makes it better to 'leave it in the ground'?
Thanks...
With this sort of discussion, the devil is always in the detail. I don't think anyone is suggesting that there should be no domestic energy production in the US. Rather the discussion is about where "those special areas where extraction industries don't operate" are. This thread was started about removing protections from National Monuments, which could lead to resource extraction in these former monuments. Many of us (and 97% of those who submitted comments to the DOI) consider these Monuments to be special areas where resource extraction shouldn't occur.
It is all about balance - currently less than 5% of land in the US is protected as a National Park or National Monument.
It is all about balance - currently less than 5% of land in the US is protected as a National Park or National Monument.
Thanks Rando I have been trying to write something similar and was having trouble assembling my words. I agree with yours.
Smokecreek1
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Ditto, thanks Rando-I was having the same problem as buckland! Just finished reading the latest on ANWAR and was trying to compose an adequate reply!
Smoke
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I lived in Alaska in the 80s. ANWAR and the Porcupine caribou herd were thought of as being special when I lived there. I thought of chartering in to see the place and caribou but it didn't happen before I moved away. I have a strong emotional response against opening up ANWAR. Maybe a lot of the opposition is an emotional response like mine. Nothing based on facts and reality.
Currently I don't have time to research the facts about ANWAR so I will remain politically quiet and a bit sad.
Currently I don't have time to research the facts about ANWAR so I will remain politically quiet and a bit sad.
takesiteasy
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Here's another bit of crazy by the current administration:
Responding to Archeologists' Amicus briefs filed in support of a lawsuit by the Hopi tribe and others over removal of protections from the Utah monuments: “Federal defendants do not have adequate time or space to address every formulation of the arguments,” (Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jean) Williams wrote.
Williams works in the environmental division, led by Jeffrey Bossert Clark, who represented BP in lawsuits over the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, the nation’s largest oil spill.
These are the folks charged with protecting our National Heritage.
https://www.dcreport.org/2018/12/28/another-front-opens-in-the-republican-war-on-science/
Responding to Archeologists' Amicus briefs filed in support of a lawsuit by the Hopi tribe and others over removal of protections from the Utah monuments: “Federal defendants do not have adequate time or space to address every formulation of the arguments,” (Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jean) Williams wrote.
Williams works in the environmental division, led by Jeffrey Bossert Clark, who represented BP in lawsuits over the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, the nation’s largest oil spill.
These are the folks charged with protecting our National Heritage.
https://www.dcreport.org/2018/12/28/another-front-opens-in-the-republican-war-on-science/
More thoughts on the battle between Public Lands and greedy hands.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/environment/will-anyone-mine-after-grand-staircase-escalante-reduction-by-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6dacab43e561
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/environment/will-anyone-mine-after-grand-staircase-escalante-reduction-by-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6dacab43e561
clikrf8
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It really bothers me that we are exporting our resources like timber, minerals, even water in the form of alfalfa, nut crops, etc.
The graphics and presentation in this article are beautiful. Good to see the spotlight has not left the story behind. Continual pressure will hopefully keep the importance of this region in people's minds.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/bears-ears/?utm_term=.73bb7bb71a66
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/bears-ears/?utm_term=.73bb7bb71a66
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