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#1 benburnett

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 09:09 PM

At the shop at 6:30 am this morning to install a set of Firestone Sport Rite bags on my 05 Dodge Dakota truck.

First recommendation would be to let someone else do it. :)

Had high hopes of being done by 10:00 am. Not to hard to install if you have the right tools. BUY SOME SHARP DRILL BITS!!!!!

First side when in ok. Read the instructions (I know, probably should have waited until I was done on that one) and it stated in the first part to install the bag behind the axle. Shows a picture of the drivers side that should be the passenger side.

No holes in frame to use so have to drill 4 3/8" holes to mount bracket. Box frame on my truck so have to drill though both sides. First side went pretty smooth and took about 2 hours when all was said and done. Air lines easy to run, put them out the bottom holes of license plate.

Now on to passenger side of truck. Instructions say to mirror other side installation and to put bags in front of axle. Well at this point there is no way on god's green earth that the other bag is going to be moved.

Tried to call 800 number to find out how to interpret instructions. Guess they take Sunday's off, the nerve of them.:)

So started on second side. First hole went fine. Pilot holes went ok for the next 3 holes. Then as I was moving up in bit size to work my up to the 3/8 a bit broke off on me just as it tried to break though the second side. No problem, will just drill this one out. Started drilling with smaller bit and making progress when the bit I was drilling the other bit out with breaks off in the bit. I think this is when the drill hit the ground with some force for the first time.

Tried to drill this mess out for about an hour. About 4 bits later went to Home Depot to replenish bit stock. Also picked up a punch. Came back and punched drill through first side. Crawled under truck tried to pull broken bit out back side, would not come. Broke off bit and shoved stuck part in hole. Life is better now. :) Drilled two of the remaining 3 holes without a problem. Last hole still broke 3 bits including a 3/8", caught and twisted 3 other bits. Drill hit ground with more force this time and some choice words.:)

Finally finished last hole, still have to go back to home depot for drill stock again. Took about 30 more minutes to finish install and they work great so far. Truck rides a lot better. I Carry a full load of tools and supplies for my Windshield business on the truck full time and the drivers side is a bit heavier than I realized. Pumped up the passenger side to 12 pounds and it took 40 pounds on the drivers to level it out.

So in summary, 6 hours from start to finish, lost count of how many bits, skin off one knuckle, scratch marks in drill from rapid sliding across cement floor after bounce and one shower later it would have been worth it to pay someone else and watch the grief instead of living it.

Sharp bits would have helped in the first place.

Had to pull the electrical lines away from frame on Drivers side so that I didn't drill them and had to adjust the brake line on drivers side also. Had to cut one bolt off after it was installed on drivers side because it was pressing into side of shock. Passenger side was clear though.

Will be taking fully loaded Bobcat at least to Missouri at the end of next month and possible on to Florida. Depends on where customer wants to meet up at. Will let everyone know how the bags do for the trip.

Will also post a route planner over the next week or so. If anyone wants to see the camper I will be happy to stop along the way to show it.
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#2 EdoHart

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 11:10 PM

While I haven't broken that many bits on project, I've broken my share of drill bits and returned to the store many times just to perform a "simple" installation. The beer that follows a shower, that in turn follows 6 hours of aggravation is one of the most refreshing things I've ever tasted. In a few cases, it's been so refreshing that I get back into the project! As soon as the first thing goes wrong after that, I usually call it quits for the day.

FWIW, I changed the location of my iPod adapter in my truck yesterday. I moved the interface cable from the drivers side sun visor to the passenger side sun visor. It wasn't as much fun as your project, but I had the entire dash board and both A-arm pillar trims pieces apart trying to find a suitable route for the cable. I was on my back trying to reach past gas and brake pedals for an hour or so. In the end, I only popped 1 fuse (I knew before hand that I should have removed the battery negative cable, but this was going to be easy and only require 1 hour, not the 4 hours it turned into). At least I didn't set off the airbags.
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#3 cabezon23

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 11:28 PM

Hey Ben,

I really appreciate what you do for me. Installing air bags just for me on a Sunday at 6:30am and it's your birthday.

I'd say dedication has a new name.

I'm really looking forward to meet you next month in person. I hope that many others will take advantage of the opportunity to meet you and to see your (or my soon to be) camper on your way to the east coast.
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 02:21 AM

Ben,

Wow, your experience sounds like the one I was half expecting when I installed my Ride Rite Bags. Before I started installing them I was afraid I'd have problems drilling the frame so I went to the hardware store and bought the best 3/8" and 5/16" drill bits they had (titanium) as mine were trashed from years of abuse. Cost me $14.00 and 13.00 respectively but were well worth every dollar. I only had to drill 4 holes for the air bag brackets and 2 more for the valve stems and those new bits went through the frame and bumper like butter. Sorry to here you had so many problems with that install. Happy Birthday anyway.
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#5 flinchlock

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Posted 01 October 2007 - 01:06 PM

In a few cases...

Wow, I would be soooo sick from that much beer! :rolleyes:

Mike
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Posted 01 October 2007 - 04:21 PM

Ben,
I went through about the same level of frustration this weekend installing Air Lift bags on my Ranger in preparation for the delivery of my Bobcat next month. Believe me, a U channel frame presents its own set of difficulties. The estimated 2 hours installation expanded to 4 hours on Saturday and another 3 on Sunday. I keep telling myself that I saved the $150 installation charge but for some reason it doesn't make my bruised and swollen knuckles feel any better.

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 05:32 PM

The Ride-Rite airbags work well once installed but Firestone could definateley do a better job on their mounting system/instructions.


Ben, that's what you get for buying cheap tools!
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 06:25 PM

Sam,

I second your comment on the brackets and instructions. Firestone packaged a set of instructions for different top brackets than the ones in the kit. Fortunately I'd down loaded the correct ones before I ordered the parts.
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#9 John D

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 11:08 PM

Cutting Oil??? is the Viagra of tool bits.
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#10 benburnett

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 02:43 AM

Well when I bought them the first time I thought they were a decent set. I guess they are until you get a real job to do.:)

John,

Your right about the oil, I didn't even think of it for some reason. Of course the first set of bits were useless anyway. I have upgraded now and know better of course. Next time it will go to the install guy and I will take a book and enjoy the rest that I get reading and saving my knuckles. :)
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