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[ntsqd]

The better synthetic lines come with an abrasion guard long enough that it covers the full top layer of line on the drum. That helps with shielding the line from UV.

[JHanson]

Here is an example of a winch bumper that provides virtually zero visual or manual access to the winch. Not a good design in my opinion, however stylish and well-built otherwise it may be. Additionally, many current bumpers employ this canted fairlead, which means that the line is almost always running over it in tension and thus experiencing friction during a pull.

 

Edited by JHanson, 05 August 2017 - 07:23 PM.

[MuleHawk]

I have an Aluminess front (and rear) bumper with a Warn 10,000lbs winch and PIAA fogs. Really love it

[XJINTX]

JHanson I TOTALLY agree on that type bumper that hides the winch. I'm not even sure how he can access the freespool? I was thinking you were referring to Warns Hidden winch bumper. Mine has full access to the winch. Just not as obvious as some. It merely keeps the stock front bumper moving it forward. Has plastic fascia to keep the aesthetics of the stock look.

[Trout1 Project]

For you Toyota fans with a welder:

http://nwtrailinnova.../toyota-bumpers

[Wallowa]

Great discussion and since I am new to power winches it helps.

 

I just bought a Warn 8S Multi Mount tray for use in my front [Curt] and back [OEM] receivers...weight of 8S with tray is 100lbs..on '05 Tundra Access Cab SR5 with winter and towing packages winch is snug against OEM front bumper and top of winch is level with upper edge of bumper [does not block air to motor]..the 100 lbs in front of bumper was a worry, time will tell, but it only dropped the front 1/2" or less...angled deflection or deformation of the receivers is of course a concern and I will bear that in mind when rigging prior to pulling.

 

It will wear a cover, primarily to keep grit off the unit and synthetic line...never thought of UV.

 

We are off road folks and conservative in our route selection-most of the time- but we also travel solo so self-recovery/rescue is a must if at all possible...front and back pulling also mandatory and the tray/winch with two receivers accomplishes that.

 

Will we ever 'need' the winch?  Never know.   Can't plan for all contingencies but will do my best to prepare for those that I reasonably can.

 

Thanks again for the discussion.

 

Phil

Edited by Wallowa, 06 September 2017 - 08:21 PM.

[Wallowa]

Follow up question:  When installing a rear bumper connector/plug for a Warn winch did anyone build their own 20 foot cables from and to the battery?  Can't tell if it is supposed to be "2 gauge" or "2/0 gauge".  Where did you source the cables and connector?

 

The Warn kit is way expensive and includes a solenoid switch that I do not want....they don't just sell the cables.

 

Thanks for any info.

 

Phil

[Stalking Light]

Googling rear bumper winch connectors suggests that most, if not all, are 2 gauge.

[ntsqd]

For an 8k winch over distance of 20 feet I think 2 ga. is way too small. It is what Warn supplies on the winch itself, but look at how short those cables are. I'm more than sure they're fine at that short length.

 

2/0 is more appropriate for the amps and the length. At max pull that winch draws 413 amps! Over a total circuit length of 40 feet (out and back) using Ancor Marine's CM = (10.75 * A * D)/(10% * 12 VDC) formula set of a 10% Voltage Drop I get a CM requirement of  147,991 2/0 has a CM of 133,000, that's likely close enough.

[Wallowa]

For an 8k winch over distance of 20 feet I think 2 ga. is way too small. It is what Warn supplies on the winch itself, but look at how short those cables are. I'm more than sure they're fine at that short length.

 

2/0 is more appropriate for the amps and the length. At max pull that winch draws 413 amps! Over a total circuit length of 40 feet (out and back) using Ancor Marine's CM = (10.75 * A * D)/(10% * 12 VDC) formula set of a 10% Voltage Drop I get a CM requirement of  147,991 2/0 has a CM of 133,000, that's likely close enough.

 

 

Wow!  Warn said the 20 foot cables in their 'rear connector kit' were 2 gauge!  I specifically asked them if they were "2 or 2/0 gauge"

...will call them tomorrow...thanks for the information..my friend on his Tacoma used a "1 gauge" cable and grounded to frame which Warn said was a no-no and might burn out motor [using frame].  As this point I am going to make up my own set of cables for the rear plug and without the "Interrupter" switch they use in their 'kit'.

 

Phil

 

Email answer from Warn:

 

"Phil,

 

The 32963 kit will come with 2 gauge cable which is sufficient enough for that application. It will also contain a “Power Interrupt” kit as well so you don’t have 20ft of live wire running under the truck.

 

 

Regards,"

Edited by Wallowa, 08 September 2017 - 01:28 AM.